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Dishes and LNBs Help How to determine which satellite dish antennas and LNB types you have.

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Direct TV Phase III info

All about the Phase 3 dish
(made for DTV, has 3 LNBs in same enclosure and built in multiswitch.)
YES, you CAN use this for your FTA setup to get 91 and 110 !
Its not the easiest dish to use and setup, i dont recommend it for the novice or those with no patience.

Advantages
1. You can add 2 LNBs and get 82 and 119 too on same dish.
2. Cheap or free from your DTV system.
3. Use only one wire and get 2 sats.
4. If u add 82 and 119, you'll use 3 ports on your diseq switch.. perfect to hook up an additonal bigger dish and a linear LNB and get birds like Intelsat 5 (T5) on your diseq empty port.

Connection
1. You need only 1 coax cable per receiver connected to the Phaze 3 dish, which is an advantage.

2. It doesnt matter which of the 4 ports you connect to. All 4 are the same in functionality. Your receiver will use the built in multiswitch to select one of the 3 sats. It does that via voltage change and 22khz tone signalling.

What this dish is for and how it was meant to work
1. This dish is for DirectTV. Was made to get the 101, 110 and 119 DTV sats.

2. Looking from behind the dish, the LNB are used like so:
.......left LNB = 119 sat
..middle LNB = 110 sat
.....right LNB = 101 sat

3. The multiswitch inside uses 22khz tone that is sent by your receiver to switch between 2 sats (just like any other 22khz switch). You'll have to set that up in your Pansat receiver.

4. 2 sats?? Yes! The multiswitch inside also serves as a combiner to combine signal from 110 and 119. So the 22khz will switch between the signal of 110 and 119 combined and the signal of 101

How the built in combiner works

1. The combiner takes TPs 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 28, 30 and 32 from the middle LNB (110) and all the rest of the 32 TPs of the left LNB (119). You cannot change what TPs are combined... Covering middle LNB with foil wont work, cutting traces on the pcb wont work.

2. This is OK for DTV because DTV only has 3 TP's on DTV's 110 (28, 30 and 32) and they are different from the TPs on DTV's 119. (a TP is a frequency band on which up to 14 channels are transmitted). So combining different frequencies on the same wire, works fine. But it will affect your FTA setup.

How the built in combiner affects your STB setup

1. You can use the Phaze 3 dish to get the 91 (bev) and the 110 (dn) satellites.

2. For that you point the dish to 101 (middle lnb), and adjust the SKEW. Now the left LNB picks up 110 (looking from behind the dish) and the right LNB picks up 91.

3. The combiner will combine TPs 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 from the 101 DTV sat with the rest of the TPs of the 110 DN sat. This means you will not be able to get TPs 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 from the 110 sat. but read on to see what your're missing.

What channels will i be missing on my STB

1. You will be missing only some local channels. (ABC,CBS..etc..), which may or may not be local to you. Thats it !

2. To see what is missing you go to lyngsat and check to see whats on TP 2,4,6,8,10,12 and 14 on DN's 110 sat.

3. You will see that ALL but 2 of these TPs are of BEAM type... which means you wouldnt have been able to get them ANYWAYS, Unless you are in the area indicated for that particular beam.

4. The 2 conus (available nationwide) tps that you'll be missing are TP 12 and TP 14. Whats on it? Only locals from Lexington, Knoxville, Jackson and Denver.


What you should be pointing it to, to get 91 and 110
STB setup:

Assuming you will point this dish to 101 (middle LNB to 101), you will be able to get 91 and 110 on the 2 outside LNBs WITH proper SKEW, and thats what u want do to if you gonna use it with your STB. The middle LNB is useless for STBS setups on Phase 3 dish as it will be pointed to DTV's 101 sat. Also covering this LNB with anything won't help to give u back those locals that you'll be missing.
To get the Azimuth and Elevation for your dish, calculate it for the 101 sat. For SKEW see below.

To use SKEW:
You must ensure that the top of the mast is perfectly plum. Best thing is to use an eye round level (home depot,tools section - $3) that u put right on top of the mast. You do that BEFORE you even put the dish on the mast.

If you are on the EAST coast, SKEW = counter-clockwise rotation in degrees from the 90 deg mark on your phaze 3 dish. Set your dish to 90 minus the SKEW number
If you are on the WEST coast, SKEW = clockwise rotation in degrees from the 90 deg mark on your phaze 3 dish. Set dish to 90 plus the SKEW number

Receiver setup
No diseq switch is needed, only one wire needs to be connected to the Phase 3
91: 22khz OFF, DiSEqC - OFF (or ON - doesnt matter)
110: 22khz ON, DiSEqC - OFF (or ON - doesnt matter)

Can i also get 119 on this dish?
Yes, if you have an additional DTV or DN (circular) LNB laying around, you can strap it to the LEFT of the 3 existing LNBs (looking from behind the dish). You will now have to use a DiSEqC switch to switch between the wire from the Phaze 3 and the wire from the strapped LNB.
Receiver setup with the strapped on 119 LNB
Assuming u put the wire from the Phaze 3 in port #1 and the wire from the strapped LNB in port #2, your setup will be:
91: 22 khz OFF, DiSEqC #1
110: 22khz ON, DiSEqC #1
119: 22khz OFF (or ON - doesnt matter), DiSEqC #2

Can i also get 82 on this dish?
Yes, if you have an additional DTV or DN (circular) LNB laying around, you can strap it to the RIGHT of the 3 existing LNBs (looking from behind the dish). You will now have to use a DiSEqC switch to switch between the wire from the Phaze 3 and the wire from the strapped LNB.
Receiver setup with the strapped on 82 LNB
Assuming u put the wire from the Phaze 3 in port #1 and the wire from the strapped LNB in port #3, your setup will be:
91: 22 khz OFF, DiSEqC #1
110: 22khz ON, DiSEqC #1
82: 22khz OFF (or ON - doesnt matter), DiSEqC #3
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Re: Direct TV Phase III info

The above was an excellent tutorial on making use of a DTV Phase III dish and LNB in unmodified form. However, no discussion of the Phase III dish would be complete without also covering the modifications available to make the Dish itself (not including the Phase III LNB) even more useful for those who are so inclined. The first modification does not require any tools other than a screwdriver but it does require the purchase of a "Daucer Bracket." The Daucer is a cost-effective option if you already have a bunch of extra LNBs lying around. The bracket can accommodate most types of LNBs including legacy dual, DN Legacy, DP, DP Twin and DP Quad. Up to six LNBs can be used for maximum flexibility. See photo below.

If you are handy with tools (hack saw, power drill & screwdriver), the Phase III dish can also be modified to function like a hybrid Dish 500+. That's because the Phase III dish has an elliptical form factor that can be used for more satellites than a conventional 20" Dish 500 (e.g., by strapping an additional LNB to either or both sides of a DP Twin/Quad). The modifications are relatively easy to do and the accompanying PDF file describes the steps required including pictures
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Re: Direct TV Phase III info

Adding a little bit extra info from Mr.Q

Step by step instructions with pics to converting a phase 3 dish to dp500 and adding additional lnbs. good project and looks fairly simple. Each step has pics.


Once again credit for this goes to Mr. Q
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